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The Thought Does Not Count

How many times have you told someone, especially Mate, It is the thought that counts.? I have a challenge for you. I say, The thought does not count. You up for a debate?

Why?

Why do you say it? What triggers this adage? How about a top three?

  • Your (birthday, anniversary, special occasion) was forgotten.
  • The job done for you rates a three on the ten-point scale.
  • The adage Close, but no cigar could be interchanged.

How?

When you say it, are you…

  • wistful?
  • disappointed?
  • sarcastic?

 What else?

What are you leaving unsaid when you say it?

  • because you do not know what is appropriate.
  • because you did not find out what I wanted/needed.
  • because I do not want to hurt your feelings as much as you have hurt mine.

Children

We are very forgiving of our children when they bring us the treasures they make from our prize flowers, ingredients from projects we have yet to begin and wildlife (either live or parts). For them, they were expressing their thoughts by associating the gift with the warm feeling of giving.

When we say It’s the thought that counts to them, we are appreciating their naïveté at choosing the appropriate gift. They do not have enough experience to understand gift-giving is an exercise in delighting the receiver rather than satisfying the magnanimity of the giver. After praising their effort, we must explain to them better solutions and how to arrive at them.

Adults Only

The well-packaged gift from an adult which in no way fits with our interests, lifestyle or desires does not meet with such forgiveness. The old adage often masks rancor. So, why is the blood boiling?

The adage is a classic example of irony. Irony is a word we toss around which, in this instance, Merriam Webster says means:

 incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result”

Gifts and kindnesses are not actions which happen in a vacuum. By their very nature, they must be tailored to the recipient. For instance, how many adults would be forgiven for the following gifts?

  • The drill press the giver needs to complete a power tool collection
  • The extra large box of Godiva to a starving person
  • A 3x T-shirt from a favorite band to a person who has just lost 100 pounds

The gifts were not chintzy in the way we scoff at things we merely do not like as a matter of taste. Instead, they show a deep misunderstanding of the part of the giver. Before committing resources to a gift, the giver failed to consider if the gift would be either beneficial or satisfy a need which overshadows it. Can you think of more personal examples?

What of the aunt’s gift in A Christmas Story? Or Winchester’s family tradition of chocolates in M*A*S*H? Have you ever been guilty of giving something because it would be what you wanted to receive but completely incongruous to the needs of your recipient?

Actions

Let’s step away from gift-giving for a moment. We have all been acquainted with the adage Actions speak louder than words. Many of us are intimately acquainted with it. When someone we love, who professes reciprocity, does something which hurts our feelings we will often tell them It is the thought that counts in order to spare them the guilt which is missing in their pride over their actions.

For instance, Mate comes home beaming with the story of dropping off money for the starving pygmies. In your head you are doing all the calculations to determine your child will not have his soccer fees tomorrow, the gas bill will be late and stretching the last chicken in the freezer into three days worth of meals will tax your imagination to its breaking point.

Spade

The thought does not count. Let’s call the spade a spade. If for one moment the thinker had been thinking, none of these situations would have arisen. Hence, the adage is deeply ironic. From the top, if you care about a person, …

1. …you make sure to remember the days which are important.

2. …you put as much effort into what you do for them as you would for yourself.

3. …you know the difference between what you like and what they like.

4. …you find out what is appropriate given the circumstances.

5. …you satisfy a desire or a need, rather than being concerned over the gratitude.

6. …you do not make the person you love suffer consequences for your perceived good deeds.

Responsibility

When in a relationship, be it friendship or a marital relationship, each person has the responsibility to consider the feelings of the other when deciding to do anything which will have consequences. Everything has consequences.

If the only consequence which interests you is the ego-stroking gratitude you expect for your gift or action, you are not responsible enough to give the gift or complete the action. The only thought you have put into the matter is what you will get out of it.

Challenge

When placed into a position where you would normally spout It is the thought that counts, stop lying to the listener. Tell the truth.

  • This is inappropriate because…
  • I love this idea, however, it is (eight sizes too big/small, above my capabilities, useless in my situation).
  • This is what you wanted.

The bigger part of the challenge? Never put someone in the position to tell you It’s the thought that counts.

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Is there ever a time when the thought really does count? How do you avoid being told or telling someone else It’s the thought that counts? What does the adage mean if you were to put it into your own words? Is it different as a receiver or as a speaker?

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  1. I just realized I can’t respond to a particular thread on the ipad

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  2. What a thought provoking post. This is indeed a delicate dance between the giver and the receiver. Providing feedback in an honest manner, treading a very fine line of expressing disappointment for valid reasons and appearing to be carelessly ungrateful. Perhaps the receiver errs on the side of appearing more gracious and utters those words, “it was the thought that counts.” And yet, you are right – they are indeed a veiled manner of expressing disappointment nonetheless.

    Difficult thing, being an adult. As it should be…
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    • Great to see you tonight, Phil. I suppose I would keep the difficult if the alternative is the compromised freedoms of childhood. I rather like my jaded existence. Glad this one gave you a think.

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  3. Hi hun! :)

    Yes, I remember well the only Christmas dad ever bought me anything – a bunch of 50′s records of his favourite singer from the £1 shop.

    I was seven years old and I’ll never forget the feeling of shock and disappointment – needless to say I was severely punished for my lack of gratitude… :(

    Love and hugs!

    Prenin.

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  4. I feel saying “it’s the thought that counts” has the same value as “don’t do what I do, do what I say”. Except for children, I do not offer the polite route. In fact, I have given back gifts at the time of giving, if they are that far off. Like, one of those prepackaged scented soaps collections from someone who knows how badly allergic to such things I am. Or knick knacks from someone who has even said to me they think I have too much “stuff” or “junk” in my home. I really have little patience, and it decreases as my age increases. I tell folks well ahead of time, I DO NOT want gifts, and sometimes those are the worst. Once, an old friend, who was drunk, insisted I accept the LP album of a musician we’d just gone to see. No thanks, I said – I don’t have a record player. She would NOT take “no” for an answer. It remained in my car (where she’d given it to me), until I finally found someone who actually wanted it. My other friends of that group thought I should have just accepted the album and said thanks. I DO NOT get that kind of enabling.
    Sorry for the rant/vent – I didn’t realize I had such strong feelings about the issue!!!
    great subject for conversation, Red. Thanks!!
    hugs…

    :)
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    • ROFL! Rant away, my dear. It is why I pick such subjects. I too have no tolerance for the thoughtless. It never occurred to the one with the knickknacks the gift would be contributory, as likely there was no memory of such comment. Again, no thought about the words or the gift or the incongruous nature of the two. Good on you to take a stand. {HUGZ} xxx

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  5. When a person tries very hard, but fails for some reason, the thought does count. If they are an idiot who didn’t make the effort it does not. Great, thought-provoking (and convicting ;[ gulp). Angie
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    • Glad this one got you thinking. When we say it, it is ironic because we try to comfort those who genuinely try but fail through no fault of their own. Remember last Tuesday’s post How hard did you really try? is the precursor to this one.

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  6. I had a heated debate about this very thing about 6 months ago. I was on the “thought” counts side. My very good friend convinced me I was wrong by using a long litany of abuse she suffered from “thoughtful parents” who promised to do better by her next time. Thoughts need to translate into actions. Too many times I’ve “thought” of someone and hadn’t followed up. It didn’t help them a bit, having them blink through my mind. What meant something is when I called, dropped by or said, “Let’s have lunch.” As always, a provocative post.
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    • Glad you felt this one. I cannot say I have ever been on the other side of this one. I have only used the adage twice, and both times it was a sardonically sarcastic utterance. I used it with the irony built into it. Glad you stopped by for this one, Barb. <3

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  7. So, when my dad comes home from work and I offer to make him a gin and tonic…?
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  8. I am just calling by for another read of this one and of course to thank you for those wicked pictures that you sent me, I can certainly add those straight into my gifts page, and perhaps use for additional graphics in postings too :) ;)

    I especially like the ‘I F*ck for Shoes’ offering, which had me giggling right off the Bat :) ;)

    Have a wonderful rest of evening Red ;)

    Androgoth XXx

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    • I actually *thought* about it before I sent them ;) Glad you liked them, my friend.

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  9. When Peter Sellers received a gift from his daughter which he didn’t like, he responded with ….”I know it’s the thought that counts, but WHAT a thought!!!!”

    As I am one of the most difficult people to buy gifts for , I tell people to buy me a bookmark instead of a birthday card as I will get more use out of it. I already own everything I need. I don’t need the regifting guilt .

    I, on the other hand have resorted to buying gift vouchers (despite the value being revealed) in order for friends to buy what they want. I know, I know, impersonal but practical.
    Friggin Loon recently posted..Otto Titslinger, You Lying BastardMy Profile

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    • I love the attitude. I used to drive my stepmother berserk. She would ask me what I wanted for Christmas, and I always answered something practical. I drove her bats. I do not take offense at gift cards, even the smallest ones available. I can always pool them ;)

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  10. ok I see your point but it occured to me as I read over the questions that I see it different too… I have always heard it more as an admonishment to be grateful… mostly interchangeable with .. you coulda got nothing.. (although sometmes that is the preferable choice eh?) late birthday or anniversay cards.. late? well at least the thought was there… a gift that doesn’t quite fit the receiver becasue it was out of the regifted box to ensure that when it cam time to exchange anyone without would still have something to open.., thats a thought that counts in a way… so yea I guess to me it translates more to be grateful you got anything..they could have not thought about it.

    Kids are forgivable like you said.. i love the gifts they give me when they were little and have many of them in my hope chest.. which is probably a whole other matter huh? my 17 yo hit it perfect last year getting me a coffee grinder.. but the year before had failed miserably (dont tell him ) so I think that they are forgivable into their teens as they learn the art of giving a gift… room to fail.. who better than mom? My great gandmother had a mind like a steel trap until it was deprived of O2 for 5 long minutes.. she was an amazing example of someone who always knew exactly what to give..,, now well..its legendary for other reasons and it has given the family something in common and that thought counts. Husbands who buy their wives another piece of expensive jewelry AFTER being told that they would love dearly to have a sewing machine instead? Nope not at all…
    Oh and its the thought that counts as a continuous excuse to be late, with cards and gifts… eh… no
    Muchas Lovas
    Lizzie
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    • My great-grandmother was uber cool, too. We do attempt to teach our children how to outgrow the ITTTC. You have touched on the other side of ITTTC…the admonishment. Makes me wonder something: Have we reached such a level of PC that something is always preferable to nothing?

      Hmmm…<3 Much love, Lizzie…I am curious.
      Red.
      xxx

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      • that is a good question and on a personal level I say no in fact just the opposite.. as i get older I want nothing more than anything I can think of and I would rather have nothing then something else to do soneting with… as a giver I am much more discerning as well.. I have very little money and if what I have does not afford a gift that is thoughtful.. I would rather not giv than buy a trinket at the knick knack place.. As a society? I am not really sure.. he who has the most stuff when he dies wins right? :roll:
        Love ya
        Lizzie
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        • I am with you. Scroll down to my response to Derek. I have been giving thoughtful, appropriate gifts for years. With as many people as I have on my list, it would cost the GNP of a small country if I did not do it appropriately. I want to die with the least amount of stuff someone will garage sale or throw away. <3

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          • Ha! that is on my list as well – I read once about a lady who when she passed had only what would fit in one suitcase. I thought amazing – how coud that be possible, it was probably during one of my moves when I see all the stuff..ug. I have been a t my parents for the last month and have nothing more that is mine but 4 sets of clothes that I wash every fifth day, 4 books, my computer my phone and two notebooks and a sketchbook and my purse ..oh the car is the driveway. , in the pasr when I came from a ling distance to see my folks for a lengthy period of time by the 3nd week or so I wanted to go home to my things – my books, my crafts.. I dwelled on my stuff… now I realized the other day that the only thing I want ir that I miss or feel like I need from home is my kitten George… I feel much lighter..at least theoretically . So maybe I will get there to one suitcase and I know that my kids will thank me. I wish I could talk my mom into it.. :-)
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          • I will never be able to talk my mother into it. Fortunately, I know how to operate a bulldozer. ;) <3

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